Ladder League Explanation

A ladder league in pickleball is generally played as an individual, as opposed to a fixed pair. This makes for much more flexibility, so people can play even when their favorite partner is busy. 

The goal of a ladder is to provide every player with competitive games. Because the advanced players move up the ladder and lesser skilled players move down, players will be placed into a group of similarly skilled players. This way everyone has more fun. You're neither getting destroyed by better players, nor getting bored playing more novice players.

How Does it work?

We typically run two rounds, so you’d play a total of 6-8 games in about 2-2.5 hours.

How to Join

First, you need to join Gwinnett pickleball club. Membership in the club allows you to play in our Sunday and Thursday (for advanced players) ladder leagues, as well as monthly round robins and other activities.

Then, look for the signup sheets in Pickleball Den (after we add you to our club) and come join us!

Sign-up sheets go live 72 hours before the event; so a 6pm Sunday ladder sheet goes live at 6pm on Thursday. Sometimes we fill up very quickly (a few hours), so it makes sense to sign-up as soon as you can. You can always unregister if you find you can’t make it; just un-check the same box you check to join. There is a waitlist available, so if the event is full and someone drops out, then someone would be promoted from the waiting list...so don't hesitate to join the wait list; we often have 2-3 people drop-out for various reasons.

Give me a holler if you have any other questions. Hope to see you out there soon!

Why didn't I move up?  :(

Sometimes players are disappointed that they won their round, but then they find that they didn't move up a court for the next round. I want to try to explain this, because I know it's not necessarily obvious.

Let me say this first... If you know me (Brian), you know I'm an uber geek. I love analyzing data. I love using data to understand the world that I live in, which includes pickleball. So please understand that I have spent a significant amount of time looking at the Pickleball Den shootout ranking algorithm, and I assure you that it works very well.  

The key point to understand is that the top two players in a pool move up one STEP on the ladder.  This does not necessarily mean that they will move up a court for the next round.  Players are ranked on the ladder first by what STEP of the ladder they are on, and then by what percentage of points they have won in the past 16 rounds.  

Let me share a commonly confusing example.

Players A and B are together for the first round, and player A finishes 1st while player B finishes 4th.  A moves up a step on the ladder, and B moves down a step.  However, the seeding for the next round is based off the ladder standings, not the specific results from the round just played.  So if A had been on Step 6 of the ladder and moved up to Step 5, while player B had been on Step 3 but moved down to Step 4...that means that B is above A on the ladder (Step 4 for B is above Step 5 for A), even though B lost to A in the round they just played.

I will admit that I wish there was a way to ensure that on any given day, the top two players from the first round would move up a court, and the bottom two would move down a court. However, Den has decided not to treat two events on the same day any differently than two events on different days (which is cool by me). Unfortunately this can lead to some confusion and disappointment, though.  

Below you'll find a more detailed explanation of their system which I hope will help explain what's happening, even if you don't agree that this is best. :)

From your Home screen, look for the "Shootout Rankings" link shown under Gwinnett Pickleball Club (or whatever club).   It'll look a little something like this.

First, notice the Step column. This lets you know what step of the ladder the player on.  1 is the top step of the ladder, but there is no bottom.  There is no limit to the number of players that can be on the same step, since we don't have the same people play every week, and could thus have lots of people end their game on the same step as others who didn't play. The lowest step depends on how many courts your club plays on, and how often the lowest player has lost. 

Second, notice that players on the same step are sorted by "%". This represents the percentage of possible shootout points won (not game points). If you play in Pool 1, you get 20 shootout points. If you play in Pool 2 you get 18, and so on.  The bottom line is that the "%" column is higher when you play oh higher courts, so when there are players on the same step of the ladder, we sort them based on how much time they've spent on the higher courts.

Okay, but now for the confusing part.  When you win, you move up a step on the ladder, but this does not mean you would move up a court for the next round. To explain why, let's look at the current rankings in the Gwinnett Pickleball Club. We have had 165 players play at some point in the last 10 months.  36 of those players are on step 2 of the ladder. 

I hope this helped clarify the ranking process a bit. If not, I hope you'll still come out to play with us and just enjoy your time on the courts.